"Invisible Backpacks" and Forms of Life with Marti Canellas

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Welcome back to the Transforming Basketball Podcast. Today we're joined by Marty Canellas. Marty runs one of my favorite podcasts out there, and it's a new podcast, so I definitely recommend checking it out—the Fosbury Flop—and. Marty just has a fascinating background himself, and then when he combines that with some of the guests he's been having on, it's, uh, it's no wonder why it's, it's such a good podcast for anyone interested in, in skill acquisition.

So Marty, it's a pleasure having you on the podcast.

Thank you very much, Alex. The pleasure is mine.

Oh, much appreciated, man. So I think you have a fascinating background, and we were just talking about it offline beforehand. Could you just explain for the listeners kind of your background, especially delving into some of the research and also, you know, how you're applying this in some other sports.

And then we'll get back to the basketball piece in a few moments.

That's an interesting and difficult question at the same time. But I would say that I just started my sports path as a basketball player. And I don't know what exactly, but I think curiosity led me to become a basketball coach. So I started being basketball coach and there I would say that I faced a very big enemy on my path, which it was the uncertainty of the game and also my personal insecurity.

So there I felt a big need to kind of capture basketball, let's say, to decipher every game situation, every technical gesture, no?

Yeah.

And I felt like that improved me constantly as coach because constantly I was finding causes, consequences, what causes what. And at the same time that I was curious, I was insecure and I wanted to be better, I was very lucky to have amazing mentors, I would say.

First of all, I would say I met Joan, no, that Joan Cortés from the Catalan Basketball Federation. I would say he was the first one. Who I was wearing reductionist glasses, looking at the game from a reductionist point of view. And he started mentioning, well, I started changing my glasses towards more holistic ones.

Let's say glasses that watch more at the game and less at many myths, beliefs we coaches have. And I would say Joan was the first one who started talking about, let's say, complexity, game-based approaches, ecological dynamics, without mentioning any terms of it. So at the moment in the path, I was trying to capture basketball, know why things happen, what to do in each situation, how to shoot, how to make layups.

I was very lucky to find mentors, as I said, that Juan, that break many myths I was having in my backpack. Then To sum up, I could talk about many more, but I would say some mentors like Joan changed how I looked at basketball, looking more at the game, forgetting about techniques, other myths about isolation of capacities.

And then I met Natalia Balaguer. Yes, I know her. She's one of the pioneers of complex systems approach, but she changed my way of looking not to basketball, but to whole training and to life, I would say, no? Understanding a bit complex systems approach is one of the best things related to sport that has happened, no?

Understand really why things happen, or when you do one thing, what are the real effects, the real consequences? What can you expect of each intervention? So I would say with Natalia, I did my bachelor degree of sports science thesis with her. And yet there, it was amazing.

I met like through the books, Rob Gray, Ian Renshaw, many other researchers. And that was a, I can't describe that process, no, because it's when, okay, you start understanding the principles. And at that point, all the lessons I had from basketball, I was applying it to padel, another completely new emerging sport that was growing up a lot.

And I was in Finland. I arrived to Finland to do an internship and help the Jyväskylä Basketball Academy, the academy of my city. And then I started working in padel.

Got it. And when you were in Finland, Martti, were you doing some work in the academy helping them understand an ecological approach and implement some of that?

Not really. I was familiar with all of those, not methodology, Sure. With all the way of doing, but not really. I saw in Finland, that was the first moment in which I saw how much culture impacts how we play, how we train. So that was a very hard time for me.

Once I was in Finland, I was, I would say, in touch, knowing these ecological, more complex approaches. I would describe it as reasonable. I don't know. Maybe I'm a bit too, but well, and there I saw really how culture of a place, of a society, of a country impacts the game, no?

And I arrived to Finland expecting that it would be a Catalonia way of training, way of playing, much colder, but no, it was completely different. I saw the really impact of a tight culture, no?

Mm-hmm.

In the way they coach, in the way they play, in the way they understand training, physical training, technical training, tactical training. So it was very hard for me because at that point, I can say this now, but at that point my head was like, why they do 1 against 0 and then it's 5 against 5?

Or why all the gym movements are isolated, completely far away from the game? I came from a— this is why I say the culture, because I came from Catalonia. That, as I told you before, we have, for example, a big influence of Barça and its methodology.

People like Francisco Ceirulo, Julio Tous, that luckily they have a Barcelona methodology that for us, they say that Barcelona is Catalonia's army. It's very representative for all Catalan people. So if Barcelona has a methodology based on the game, on small-sided games, very respectful with the essence of the game.

You, of course, I recognize this now, but I have to admit that being a Barcelona supporter, being from the Catalan culture impacts how do I see sport and how do I train. So going to Finland, for example, and seeing a completely different thing, you can, with hindsight bias, you can understand it.

But once you were there, it was like, oh, a difficult moment. It's really interesting, Martí.

I mean, there's so many directions I want to take this in, but I think just talking about Catalonia, I think it's very interesting because you mentioned Joan Cortés, and Sergio Oliva has mentioned Joan's name to me a bunch of times as someone who's just doing an incredible job applying these ideas.

And it seems like it's really interesting, some of the work that's being done in the Catalonian community. But I think it would be interesting now, maybe if we look at forms of life, Marty, I think that would be really interesting maybe to— if we go deeper into everything you've just spoken about, like on the culture, the forms of life, maybe could you just describe kind of what a form of life is for the coaches listening to us and kind of why it's actually important for coaches?

Because I think, like, you had obviously James Vaughan on the podcast. That was an amazing episode. But I think it would be really interesting for coaches to know why it's important that they consider the role of forms of life.

Okay, Alex, I try, but you can add and be more precise about my reply. Okay. I would say maybe a form of life, like an invisible backpack we all carry about intangible things, things that are not objects, but beliefs, ways of seeing the world, no, that has been brought to you by Where have you lived?

Who were your parents? With who were you interacting? What kind of village were you living? No, all these cultural invisible aspects that shape how you see the world, your reality. I don't know if you would agree.

I love that invisible backpack. That's the best way I've heard it described, Martí. That's awesome.

And yeah, I think it's— I don't know the sentence exactly, But Confucius says something like, study the past if you want to divine the future. It's like, okay, knowing where do we come from, a little bit in line with a paper that I recommend to everybody, that it's Periodization Theory: Confronting an Inconvenient Truth from John Keighley, no?

That it explains where you go in the future differs from when you come back in the past. So a little bit knowing your story, why you do things, what impacts you have had in your life condition how you see your reality and how you are going to evolve.

I tell you, for example, as I said about my culture, no, that being FC Barcelona has impacted in the way of looking at training. I would say you also that the way of being Catalan, being an FC Barcelona supporter, loving Pep Guardiola has also impacted me unconsciously.

When you are Barcelona supporter and you see Pep Guardiola coaching, And you see him making all the movements and being so authoritarian, so on top of the process, no? Because probably he's a genius and he's one of the few ones who is able to capture the sport and be on top of it.

So then you start learning as coach and you see Guardiola at the same time. So you are like, okay, I want to be like them. And you grow up thinking that you have to be the boss of the team, the controller. Yeah. I have that belief, that thing in my invisible backpack.

And then with the years, I was like, hey, Martí, maybe that loving Pep Guardiola has gave you a lot, a lot of happiness because I wish I could win as he fails. But then also has conditioned strongly my way of seeing coaching that I have to be the boss, that I have all the solutions, that this goes, that me is the one who knows and has to save the team when completely is the opposite.

Completely this role can It only can be done by him.

I love that. I think it's funny, Martti, because in basketball we see so much copy-paste. It's identical offenses, identical drills, just the lens— you spoke about a reductionist lens at the start, and it's even the same reductionist lens that coaches are using. And I think when you start to look at forms of life and their role as like a very influential environmental constraint, or environmental constraints, it's really interesting because you understand that you can't copy paste because every context is so different.

I think it's interesting because coaches might, if they really looked at these things, they might understand why their players behave in certain ways and not trying to get them all moving and doing the exact same things, which unfortunately is something I think we see a lot.

Yeah, I completely agree. For me, I was already having some doubts, some questions in my mind about it. But the book Rule Makers, Rule Breakers from Michele Gelfand completely helped me to understand it much better. And I recommend it to all of those who have worked in different countries or have different cultures because it explains how social norms of each country emerge and how tight or soft they are.

And these social norms, this invisible backpack has impacts on the politics of the country, but how people behave, if they are more traditional or more innovative. And at that point, you understand why the same drill that you could do in Barcelona was great, but the same drill you could do in Finland, there wasn't any creativity or any of the things you were seeing in Barcelona.

And that's why. Because the drill is the same. The drill is the same. But the Finnish culture, for example, is more towards order. It's more disciplined. Why? Basically because they had a tight story that it had made the society evolve towards a more organized way to face all these threats they were facing from Sweden, from Russia, from the nature, all the coldness, many threats that we didn't have in Barcelona.

And this is just a small example, but all of these conditions. And then if we go maybe to Spain and we would compare Barcelona, the Basque Country, Madrid, you also see completely different ways of behaving just because the story. We had the civil war, just as an example, and many, many years before much things happened.

Yeah, that's great. This leads actually perfectly onto kind of just differences between other areas of Spain or Spanish basketball and Catalonian basketball, because I used to live in Madrid for 2 and a half years. One of the best times of my life. I did quite a bit of coaching when I was there, Marty.

I was working with some pretty good, some some of the better youth programs in in Madrid, and I saw a lot of the what is it technification, like a lot of the one on zero, two on zero, three on zero. And it it does strike me that I think in in just from the coaches I'm kind of have been having some conversation with in Catalonia, there's a lot more playing and maybe a lot more constraints that approach even.

Like you said, if coaches are just doing small-sided games without really going deep into CLA, it's still play and there's something going on. And I think in Spanish basketball, there's this big culture of, you know, we got to have these, the one-on-zero, get the details, the technique.

Is that something that you've seen? And would you say that's fairly accurate?

For me, the first difference, I'm talking maybe 10 years ago, because it was when I was playing. About playing. The first difference I saw was about referees, that the quality was very different. I don't know how it's nowadays. And then as a coach, maybe I'm talking about 5 years ago, I agree in some camps, on some moments that I could be in touch with people from other regions and also looking a bit in the social media and networks, which obviously is not representative.

I would say yes, I see this maybe a big different trend between how you see the fundamentals or what do the kid needs in order to start training, to learn the basics, to learn technique, many one against zero. And the other one that is not just play, build the fundamentals while playing, that the fundamentals are not like isolated stereotyped movements.

And yeah, I would say so. But I think the biggest, and now I'm just comparing Barcelona or Catalonia and Madrid, the biggest difference I see is in mentality. And you can see this mentality that it has impacted in soccer, Real Madrid and FC Barcelona.

But also there is a very curious story about water polo, this soccer in the water. In the Olympics of Barcelona '92, Water polo was only played in Barcelona, so the team was full of Catalan people. And they say that Catalan people is very intelligent, technical, but not very proud, not very cocky.

And at that point, they started playing it in Madrid, and Madrid were the opposite. They were very cocky, very proud, but not so much caring about how to do things, this beauty. So they said in Barcelona '92, It was the first time they were able to win an Olympic medal.

It was a silver medal. And they were— it was because these 2 very different ways of being related to the culture, to the place of Spain, what allowed them to start an amazing era for Spanish water polo. Because what one had, the other one didn't.

And the opposite. They complemented each other very well.

Oh, that's great.

It's something also that you can see, sorry. In soccer. In Barcelona, we don't understand this courage of Madrid of coming back, of scoring at the last minute while they play bad. But in Barcelona, if you win and the team plays bad, all the supporters kill you, kill the coach.

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That's— it comes down to forms of life again. That's why they're so interesting. Such an inferential form of constraint. So I wanted to swing this a little bit, Marty, and go to complex systems. I don't think I've actually— obviously I've spoken a lot about bits of dynamical systems on previous episodes when, you know, speaking about ecological dynamics, but— Really going deeper into complex systems, I think it could be interesting for coaches.

Maybe we could start just kind of a layman's definition of what complex systems approach is, and then we can just start to take it in some different directions from there.

I would maybe describe it as a criteria, not a methodology, that makes you understand the behavior of living organisms. And I would say living organisms as persons, players, teams, big networks, not machines. Machine is a complicated system, so I would exclude it. And that, I think, is one of the biggest problems we have, that we still in the 21st century coach complex systems as they behave like complicated systems.

That's exactly it. It's the drills, it's the predetermined You know, and, and it actually links— I wrote this quote from, uh, John Cortez you had on your podcast, and he said, if a player can tell before the exercise begins how he or she will behave, it means it is a good exercise for synchronized swimming and not for basketball.

And that's exactly the point you just raised with the complicated system.

Here I see also another form of life influence, that is the Taylorist influence, no? How all the society in the 19th and 20th century was organized surrounding the Taylorism, which is basically how to organize factories, schools in a more efficient way, assuming that you can calculate everything, you can separate everything, isolate everything.

And this has conditioned us so much, how they teach us in schools, how they want to measure everything. And the way this reductionist way of doing, this reductionist way of of thinking. At the end, you learn it just as— because it's in the form of life.

That's it. But yeah, sorry, I, I went a bit away from the—

No, no, I thought that was perfect. I, I think what I wanted to ask then next is how, like, studying complex systems, what are the implications of that for coaches in terms of just why is it that we shouldn't be teaching these very specific techniques These high, you know, giving internal feedback, doing all of this in a very rigid way.

What's kind of the, the science behind complex systems that suggests that, you know, that isn't the way to do it?

Very good and difficult question. I, I try my best. So then if, if we assume what is a complex system, no, a system composed by many components which interact among them and the environment And its behavior, let's say the result, it's not decided by any exact agent, internal or external, but it's self-organized by its whole.

Like, it's not like a computer that you code and then it behaves. No, a complex system is not a complicated system that needs to be programmed. No, it can live without being programmed. Maybe, I don't know, it comes to my mind, but we would say a dog.

I don't know if we fall. I have seen that in my family. Our first way of teaching our dog was direct behaviorism, conductism. Order, action, instruction, like stimulus response. No, no, I mean, this works coding, this works with computer, but this doesn't work with people, with players.

Why? Because complex systems self-organize and they can adapt. They can learn without us or in spite of us. So assuming first this fact that the complex system interacts, has many components that we don't know where is it going, I think helps to accept this uncertainty that I was fighting because you realize, okay, I'm not controlling it.

I'm not behind the wheel. So I have to take more, maybe not a passive, but an active, not interventionist position that you can influence, maybe more in touch with an oriental point of view. We Occidentals like a lot to intervene, to decide, maybe the Oriental of looking more in the environment, manipulating more of constraints in order to help the team.

So the fact of realizing that is a complex system that can adapt, can evolve, can learn, not 100% thanks to you, also puts the responsibility on the team. Let's say, you know, I understand that the team can adapt, so I don't need to have a position In which I'm on top of the team.

I have to save, I have to order, I have to tell solutions because I know they can find them. It's our human nature as people. Like, we can do it. So if I pose a problem, an exercise based on the game, the complex systems, the team, or if it's a single sport, a player wants to win.

So if I put this problem and the complex systems start self-organizing, adapting with a clear intention of winning the game, of solving that problem. I just need to help the team to do it, but I don't need to tell the solution. They know how to do it.

The problem is that when we do a closed exercise of synchronized swimming, for example, I think there, if we don't respect the nature of the game, the essence, then you want your players behave according to what your opinions are. Or what are your beliefs?

Because you start with 2 against 0, 1 against 0 exercise to see what you want, to see what you believe is good, not to do what the game says to the games. So that's why sometimes they improve, they perform in spite of us.

Because even though we have been training far away from the essence of the game, making them do what our minds, what the coaches will be wants in the game, It's like the game drives us in a different path.

Martí, that was really well explained. I loved it. What I want to go to is you spoke about intentions, and I think some— you mentioned Renshaw at the start of the podcast, obviously one of the most influential researchers behind the constraints-led approach. And he always says that intention is the most influential form of constraint.

I really see that just the more I continue to work with players and go down this path. I just think intentionality is everything. And I think Talking about intentions of a complex system, looking at the team, you know, looking at a group of individuals, what I often see, Marty, is a lot of coaches nowadays, maybe they would go to a small-sided game in practice, but I often find it's a lot of the coaching I see is lacking with intentionality.

So especially in like professional settings, when players do go live in a practice, I often find that because it's not a well-constrained activity, or simply the coach hasn't been very clear talking about what intentions are in terms of what they're looking for, maybe within an offense.

And I'm not being like reductionist, but just talking principles of play, a principles of play framework. And I think that's a huge problem because we're not— if we're gonna, you know, play live, I think it's, it's so easy to make some very simple changes to elevate the intentionality and you get a completely different result Versus just rolling the balls out, playing in a small-sided game, boom, and the players go.

What would you say to that?

Here, my biggest lesson with intention and intentionality was given to me by Natalia Balaguer, and it was regarding the leadership of teams. And I remember perfectly Natalia Balaguer, she told me, at the beginning, the most important thing is intention. Why the kid is coming to training?

Because her dad obligates her, so then you are going to fail. Or what are you looking with the team? To win the Champions League, but they just want to have fun. So okay, Martí, are you convinced? Of you adapt. But if not, what is going to emerge from that will be very bad.

A Catalan psychologist named Pep Marí made a very good example with the of it with the English breakfast. He said in order to make the English breakfast, you have the chicken who make just a small effort. To put the egg on the breakfast and you have the pork who lives his life so you can eat bacon.

So if in a team you mix chickens and pigs, you are completely like, you are not going to take anything good out of it. But then regarding to the game, I've been thinking a lot, but I don't know if it's because when I started, let's say, being in touch with intentions, I was in padel.

I don't keep it in mind a lot. Because in padel, I would say, in order to make a game-based training, we don't have so much variability, complexity as basketball. It's much more, I would say, the spectrum is much closer. So from my point of view, most of the exercises in padel have to keep always the score and the competitive nature of the game.

So when I propose already a task of my players, they know that we are going to compete. Maybe the points, how we count, is very different. No, it changes from exercise to exercise, the point system, what are the rewards. But I would say the intention of the exercise are quite clear.

You are competing all the time. You always want to win. What I just change a little bit is the way of achieving it. So they need to perform different solutions, change their behavior, add adapt to achieve the goal. So I don't think in that it impacts so much, but it's more at the moment in which being a padel coach, at the end, you don't coach a team.

You are part of a club and you have many pairs who work with you. I think the most important thing of intention is before stepping into the court, knowing the pair that I'm going to coach.

Sure.

Knowing the, if I had problems with them, if not, if they buy my message completely. If they have some doubts, if they come here to perform high level, if they come here just to have fun. This has been the most impactful, the most influence impact that intention has had.

Interesting. For me, it's in basketball. I think it's interesting because I always come back to principles of play. This is really interesting because I think the more people have kind of seen some of the work I'm doing, they really think it's just a very vague approach.

And some have even said it's like PE classes. And it's, I think what that shows is that people aren't looking at actually how specific these environments are that we're creating. And then again, I think it's also the principles of play, because I think when you understand an ecological approach, it really changes, like you said, the lens you view your sport.

And when I really delved into the research and looked at all the things we've spoken about today, The principles of play that I used as a coach changed completely. And I went from, like, years ago, more like controlled offenses, right, which we see a lot of in basketball, to conceptual offense, but in a way that's very different to how we see it in the NBA.

My vision for how to do the offense is very different. It's a really interesting area. And I think one question I'd have for you building on from this is, We've discussed a lot of things in this episode, Marty, and I think, you know, it all comes down to seeing the game through an ecological lens, as opposed to this reductionist classical style, which is very much based on the individual, as opposed to the individual-environment interaction.

But what would you say, as a community, what could we be doing to really help more practitioners in basketball understand some of these ideas and shift away from traditional approaches? Because I think it's something that I'm always intrigued in, is in terms of, you know, if we just had a coach listening to this for the first time and we wanted them to really— we wanted to help inspire them to change and shift towards a contemporary approach, what could we be doing as a community in a better way to help them facilitate that?

Well, first, respecting the ecological approach we believe It's very difficult to give tips that are useful for everyone who receives. But if I could have to say something, maybe I would say to ask first, if you are in charge of a learning process, ask your students, the coaches you are in charge, why they do things.

And then if you are a traditional coach with maybe you have listened to this episode and you have been surprised or you agree but don't understand, To what Alex and I say, it's the same. Ask yourself why you do things. Nowadays, I'm myself in the world of padel, and it's a bit disappointing sometimes because it's a new sport, but looks like it has even more biases, even more myths than the sports that have been historical, like basketball, soccer.

And for me, it's a little bit frustrating when I see interventions that, from my point of view, doesn't make any sense because they just satisfy the coach and his mind. They don't satisfy the game, which is only the main incentive in sport and in padel.

And I don't see those people even want to change or even want to learn. And I make myself the same question. So I think that it's not going to them like, you have to do this, but just, uh, why you do things.

Yeah.

Why do you think that the player needs to do this technique? Or is the player able to make basketball if you don't teach this? Okay, he makes the basket. Does the rules of basketball condition the techniques that you have to use? No, they don't mention anything.

Do they say something about how to score the points of score? Yes. So maybe you should change your point of view from the body, from the movement, from the kid. Towards the game, to what the game wants. And if the kid achieves what the game is asking for, but you don't like it, then the problem is yours.

Because the kid, let's say, is aligned with the incentives of the game, with what the game prioritizes. Then if he or she is able to achieve it and you don't like it, the problem is yours. Probably you have a very big backpack of beliefs.

But yeah, the fact of looking back, opening the backpack, back and seeing some beliefs, some myths, it has to be done by oneself, no? Like, I cannot— if you are not eager to change or if you don't want to question some of your beliefs, we can do— I'm not going to do anything, no?

I remember one of the— in the second course I had with Joan Cortés, I think he started with a video of the monkeys, no? That there is a room with 5 monkeys The bananas on top, no? So every time one monkey took a banana, cold water was thrown to them.

So at the end, they associated, no, when, that when they take a banana, they get cold water. So every time somebody was going, they started, the monkeys started biting, kicking the colleagues. So then the researchers started changing the monkeys one by one, and each new monkey that was going to the banana had an amazing travel.

So he learned fast, the monkey, that he had to kick his friends once somebody was going to take the banana. And at the end, the 5 monkeys were replaced by new ones. And you had at the end 5 monkeys who were kicking each other when a friend was going to the banana without knowing why they're doing that.

At the beginning of the episode, I have mentioned John Keighley's paper of periodization theory. Confronting an Inconvenient Truth, and I recommend it to everybody. I don't know what about others, but in my way it has been impactful because it was the first time I realized that I was very, very monkey, that I was doing many, many things just because that has always has been done.

He explains there, John explains myths in periodization in sport, but also he gives examples on strength and conditioning, no? Why some small decisions, some small facts at some point start getting bigger and then you end up impacting a whole generation, a whole society, just because a choice that didn't make any sense at that time, but for some reason it survived.

Now I ask myself that in padel, no? Padel, it was a very, very small sport and the growth has been exponential in, I would say, 4 years. So, okay. How has the knowledge of padel, the padel coaching, has been built? Are the best coaches the ones who were in universities, who were learning how kids learn, how kids evolve?

I don't think so. At the moment, what it was is that the professional padel coaches and the ones who had had more impact on all the other coaches were the only ones. The only ones that when padel was played in Spain and Argentina were there, and we owe a lot to them.

Like, okay, they started it and probably now we can play. But also we have to ask many questions to them, like, why this? Why this? Because at the end, there is people from the whole Europe, United States that comes here asking for solutions for how to improve, how to give lessons in his club.

And he doesn't find, let's say, the knowledge, empirical knowledge, scientific knowledge of things proved. He just finds opinions of what the only ones were doing. And for me, you might think that I'm arrogant, but I'm sorry, there are many things that is much, much, a lot of evidence that says that at least there are more efficient ways to improve.

The teachers, the mentors were the ones who, the professional ones, the ones who were there, the first ones, not the most prepared ones or the one who understand more how a kid learn. Well, but if you're not even eager to say, okay, I've been here, but how does a kid learn?

Just question many times why you do things. When you know why, I think is when you can make the best decisions.

Martí, that's excellent. I don't want to build on anything you just said because I just think that's to end the podcast on that note. I think it's really effective question for coaches to consider who have listened to this. I want to say a big thanks for coming on today.

I really recommend that coaches listening to this check out your podcast, The Fosbury Flop. You've had some excellent guests on. And just a big thanks. I love all the work you're doing. It really inspires me with Transforming, and it's great we're having an impact on the whole sports movement community, the sports world.

Big thanks for coming on today, Martí.

Thanks to you, Alex. It was a very big pleasure. As I told you, I met you once I was starting to get in touch with ecological approaches, and I was surprised to don't see anything in basketball. Then I met you, then I saw the project of Transforming Basketball, and just thanks.

Thank you very much to you and for the work you are doing, spreading a little bit why things happen, how to help coaches, but not from your biases or from your opinions, but from knowledge and reasonable facts. So thank you very much.

Well, my pleasure. Thank you, Marty.

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