Applying the CLA from Youth to NBA with Mitch Kirsch
Alex Sarama engages in a conversation with Mitch Kirch about implementing contemporary skill acquisition ideas and ecological dynamics framework in basketball training.
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In this episode, Alex Sarama engages in a conversation with Mitch Kirch about implementing contemporary skill acquisition ideas and ecological dynamics framework in basketball training. Mitch shares insights from his unique journey as a player turned trainer, emphasizing the importance of creativity, adaptability, and challenging traditional coaching approaches. Their discussion explores the practical application of CLA principles, designing learning environments, and working with players at different skill levels, including NBA professionals.
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Mitch was running a camp here with Ricky Broadmoor, great coach at Barking Abbey. So, uh, Mitch, we're going to get into that, but firstly, welcome. Great to have you on the podcast.
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Thank you. Big fan of the podcast, love the work you're doing, so really happy to be here.
Thanks so much, Mitch. So let's kick things off. You know, I think firstly you're known for sharing really creative videos on Instagram, and I think it's about a lot more than just the activity. And, you know, we spoke about this a lot last week, like really going into the theory of CLA, ecological dynamics, all of that.
But before we get into that, could you just introduce yourselves for the audience kind of where you're from. And you've got a really unique background with kind of your experience now in Europe. So maybe just touch on that a little bit.
Absolutely. I'm from a really small town in New Hampshire, about 7,000 people. And a fact I like to bring up frequently, maybe some people would disagree, but I would always claim that the 3 best players in our area all lived under the same roof.
My dad was probably the best player, then my older brother, and then the younger brother always losing. And so that's really what sculpted a lot of my journey with basketball, was just always competing with them, eventually getting to the point where it got too competitive to compete, and then really trying to find unique ways to get better at basketball and in an environment where basketball wasn't really the priority.
And so I grew up, was really fortunate to go to a great prep school in New Hampshire, got exposed to unbelievable coaching from the X's and O's side of things, but we practiced 5-on-0 for 2 hours every single day. And we eventually got really good at the end of the year, likely because we eventually played a lot of basketball and just had better players than other people.
We won a lot, but I always felt like there was a better way of doing it. And I would spend my summers in the gym there just thinking, trying to be creative on my own, training really hard. And so that's kind of been a theme throughout my life.
Like, the reason I fell in love with basketball was trying to get better myself. And that brought me along to go play professionally in Colombia, spent 2 seasons there, spent a quick stint in France, and then just most recently playing in Norway. So I've been able to get exposed to a lot of different styles of basketball, a lot of different cultures.
And all the while, while I was in high school, I started my training business. So I'm actually 8 years into my training business now, and we've grown that quite a bit. And the goal is to really bring New Hampshire basketball, Massachusetts basketball up a level, elevate the game.
And a lot of what we do is CLA, but I post in a way that I'm trying to reach a wider audience to help grow CLA in a way that's not too intimidating for most people. So that's the journey I've been on. I think seeing other parts of the world has given me a better perspective as to how I can share that and how I can connect with coaches, no matter what level they're at right now with their understanding of the CLA or ecological dynamics, wherever they're at, trying to meet them there.
I love that. I think that's a really good segue to my next question. I think before that though, it's really interesting, just that playing perspective. I think that's so unique that you can combine that with like your training coaching ideas. So let's get on to that.
I think barriers, kind of getting understanding of CLA— are there any common themes, Mitch, just when you're speaking to other trainers, you know, whether it's social media or in person, that you think keep coming up, which is maybe preventing trainers, coaches becoming more familiar with, with CLA as a framework?
Absolutely. I post a lot of drills, and I'll give good amount of explanation on the drills, and I don't feel there's anyone that disagrees that the drills are effective and that they're useful drills. So I think a lot of people will look at the stuff I post, maybe the stuff you post.
I think you do a better job of explaining it in full, but there are a lot of trainers that post a lot of drills that would be considered constraints-led approach. But the value of the drill is understanding who's there and the adjustments you make along the way.
So when you post the drill, people will see it and they think they can just copy that drill And that is CLA, or that is a better way of coaching. Or maybe that's a great drill to build off my 1-on-0 work, my 2-on-0 work, maybe this certain move we've been working on.
So I think a lot of people miss the bigger picture with just posting the drill. And I think that's one thing that's holding the field back because it's really not about the drill. It's about your ability to adapt as a coach, your ability to understand the players in front of you, what your team needs, what certain players need, and being able to be adaptable as a coach and creating situations for players to stretch their limits.
So it's not about the drill specifically. The rules of the actual drill don't really matter unless you understand the circumstance. And I think that's the issue. People just assume you can take something that they see is a good idea and just plug it back into where they're at.
But it's really got to have a deeper relationship with that environment as a coach. Yeah, that's great.
I think that's so well put, man. I heard this last week when we were with Jesse Rawlings at the practice, and I Jesse's podcast will be on, I think, 2 weeks before we put this one out. So people have heard of him. And I think he spoke right to us about coaches also developing these perception-action couplings of what they're seeing in the practice.
And I think, yeah, it's really interesting just to consider it from that element.
I think so much of the time coaches struggle with this idea of just why we don't need to copy paste, and they struggle to look at it from this sense of designing completely new activities. And I know that's something you obviously do a lot, just looking at your videos.
So maybe you could speak to that a little bit terms of how you would actually go about that process of approaching a practice session and not thinking, all right, I've done this activity, this drill, whatever you want to call it, I'm just going to keep repeating this.
How do you actually get the inspiration to design something new entirely or just make a slight tweak?
Absolutely. I was really fortunate this past summer with my academy to— we hired on 2 coaches. So we had a strength coach who was actually my strength coach in high school. We'd become really good friends. And then a guy I had played with, he just finished his career, was getting into coaching.
Local kid. And the funny part was, his name is Cal, the other player, now a coach. Cal and I grew up training with Noah LaRoche. So he's another guy in the space that's more and more well-known for CLA and designing representative environments.
Yeah.
So that staff, really creative group, and we had just great chemistry between us. We made a pact that we would never do the same drill twice in the summer. And that was just a constraint for our coaching. Like, we had to go in every single day and be really, really creative.
Now, there might've been some things we wanted, some common themes or intentions we wanted to reinforce along the summer for sure, but we had to make sure we never did the same drill twice. And that just stretched our ability to coach and adapt and really look at different aspects of the skills emerging in front of us.
And so I think that alone was huge for our development as coaches and for our players. They had to be totally engaged every single second. Because they couldn't rely on past memories like, oh yeah, we've done this drill. That might be similar, but we're gonna make a tweak at some point, or probably before we start or explain it, where it's gonna be totally different.
So I think that's one thing that potentially is holding the CLA back is just coaches not being willing to be creative and thinking maybe that creativity is something you're born with. But I would really push back on that. And if you just challenge yourself to be creative and give yourself maybe a constraint like that, and you're not allowed to do the same drill twice in a full summer, now I feel like I go to bed and I'm just thinking of all these different ways to manipulate environments or manipulate a certain drill, or, hey, why didn't
that work? Oh, why was that one successful? It just allows you to really approach the training with a fresh mindset every single day. And I think that helped us out a lot.
That's great. And I think it's sometimes like, A, I think it's appreciating that you can solve the same problems in so many different ways. And then B, it's like a small tweak could just change everything. Maybe you just change the start position or where they're coming from, wherever defense is coming from, the rule of how they score, and there you go.
you got something different already. So let's look practically now. When you're here in London, could you maybe just talk us through, Mitch, what a practice session looks like, you know, with the CLA, kind of how you're using the CLA to design these learning environments, and maybe just talk us practically through some of the things you tried out last week in London with Ricky?
Absolutely. So I think one thing that's important to note is I'm not a team coach. So when I'm doing these sessions, I'm getting people from all different teams that might have their own principles and philosophies. So the goal is not necessarily to reinforce these team philosophies because it would be impossible for me to know how all these team philosophies work.
And it would— the main goal is to help these players explore and push their skills, push them to the edge of their ability. So from the very start, the warmup, we're going to have 2 people at a minimum going at each other and having an intimate relationship, that perception and action is always coupled from the time they, they start the workout to the very, very end.
So we might do a warmup that's not necessarily related to basketball, but it's going to be a very fun and engaging warmup where they're having to react to a real body. So that's how we typically start. And then with Ricky in London, we had 2 hoops and about 16 players.
So we had to be creative within that. We had some hoops on the side, but they were a little bit lower. So the typical flow would— we would go like a 1-on-1 series, maybe a 1-on-1 plus 1 series, and then we could throw in some 3-on-3.
We never went 5-on-5 just because it wasn't necessary for the camp, but we might throw in some 3-on-3 and then we'll break that down and go back to a 1-on-1 plus 1. But the cool part for Ricky and I is, again, like, we're both pretty creative people and being able to see the environment and then just make tweaks on the fly was huge for us.
So to the point of like seeing a typical day, we were very set at the beginning that we would never go into a day with a set plan because we wanted to challenge ourselves as coaches as well. And Ricky had been talking about some research he had looked at where some of the worst coaches actually were the ones that had a curriculum and a plan, and that was actually restricting the growth.
So it was really important for us, like, I don't know these players, Ricky knew some of them, but we needed to set them up with some challenges. And then we would go off that and adjust the activity or change the drill. So I know it's probably not the best answer.
No, that's great. Many coaches don't love the answer because it's a little bit more messy and it's a little bit more free-flowing. And every single day, we're not going to follow the same exact plan. We're not going to do the same warm-up. We're not going to do the same one-on-one drills.
We're not going to do the same one-on-two drills. It changes every single day. And the cool part, another aspect that was really cool for us is we got moved out of our gym. for some test prep. They needed to set the gym up for some testing.
So we had to move to a different gym for one day. And then the last day, we again got moved to a smaller gym. So with whatever gym we were in, that also adjusted the plan. So when we got to a really small gym, we did a ton of shooting.
We did a ton of differential learning. We did a ton of decision-making shooting, 3-on-2s. But whatever it was, the big part for us was we were really intentional about observing the environment and then making the tweaks that we felt were necessary to challenge the players and allow them to explore and really get a better relationship with the environment.
That's great. It reminds me, Mitch, of, um, there's a great water slalom coach, Craig Morris, here in the UK, and he talks about being prepared but not planned. And I think, you know, a lot of coaches would find it, you know, challenging to go in and just improvise on the spot, but that's kind of all my morning sessions in Italy for 3 years.
That's basically what I was doing. It's just what you said reminded me of that. And that's some of your best ideas come up just within that flow when you just— something emerges, you see it, boom, you just try it out. So How do you find it working with another coach who's using CLA principles, but you've come from 2 completely different backgrounds and interpreted things your own way?
Which is, that's the best thing about the CLA. It's like one framework, but there's unlimited scope for creativity.
Yes. Day one for Ricky and I, that's a great example. Ricky and I came at it from 2 different approaches. I was probably more deep in the evidence going through and coming to the CLA. I think Ricky, it naturally emerged for him. He found it on his own.
So as far as Me coming out, I probably had a lot of terminology to Ricky would mean nothing, but we were doing the same thing and making the same adjustments because we had a deeper understanding, but it was a different understanding. Big adjustment for day one for both of us who were used to leading things fully, right?
Like, I'm very comfortable coaching with 40 kids on the court and just me. He's the same. And for us, we had to both take steps back and just shut up and let the other coach do it. And that was really, really uncomfortable at the beginning.
And we ended the first day and both of us texted each other later like, I can do more tomorrow. Like, I feel like I didn't do anything. And he was like, I feel the same. And so it was an interesting situation for us.
Like, we had to learn to just sit back and not say anything and let the other coach go and flourish. And I think once we got that flow, we both ended up learning so much more because we could see the environment from a different perspective.
Maybe I had less ego in it, right?
Yeah.
Like, if I change a constraint and it emerges or it doesn't emerge what I'm looking to happen, Then I might feel a certain type of way. But if Ricky does it and then I can look at that from like, oh, interesting, I like that constraint, let's see what happens.
There's a little bit less ego and I can probably see more clearly what's happening in front of me. So interesting for sure. But the main thing for both of us was just to take a step back. And then by the end, we were able to have some conversations where maybe I would talk a little bit more theoretically, he would talk more application-based and see what he's found.
He's been doing a lot of this stuff for 10 years or Even more where I'm probably 6 years into it. So it was cool to see how it all came together, but a lot of it was just being quiet, which was the most important thing.
That's great. We spoke, when we caught up, we were speaking just about some of the potential we've seen in London. Obviously, I've been here coaching. I'm from the UK originally, but first time I've been here in 7 years. And I think, am I correct, Mitch?
This is the first work you've done extensively in the UK perhaps?
Yes.
I think something that stands out to me is that if there's kind of one country to really adopt CLA, it should be the UK because we've got nothing to lose. And I don't mean this the wrong way, but we couldn't be worse, right?
So it's not like we're a country like Spain or Serbia where there's such a rich tradition and success of basketball. Nothing to lose. And you've actually got players who everyone says this, not me, but when you look at a British player, what do they struggle in?
It's decision-making, shooting, et cetera. So I think it would be great, maybe we just talk a little bit now about what we were speaking about separately and like the potential of using the CLA in a country like the UK. Hey coach, a short message before we start today's podcast.
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Hundred percent, and I think Norway in general is actually fairly similar to the UK, right? Because we have two countries. Resources are there. There is the money behind it, or there could be, but largely gym space is a limiting factor. Maybe the level of coaches is a limiting factor.
And for the players, you need to be as efficient as possible with getting better. So I think in the US, right, I grew up, I had a court in my front yard. I could drive 2 minutes to my elementary school, get a court, another 3 minutes to my middle school, get a court, 10, 15 more minutes, and I could get access to probably 30 really nice gyms, like wood courts, beautiful rims, wonderful facilities.
So players are going to be out there playing for hours and hours and hours. If I spend 2 hours doing spot shooting and form shooting, okay, but I'm also spending 2 hours playing 3-on-3, 2-on-2, free play. So in the US, I do think there's more leeway because there's just so much court space, there's so much free play, there's So many games being played.
Now, you take a country like the UK, you might practice 2 times a week. That's what players were saying. And you might not have access to a gym outside of that. So the time you have in the gym better be used effectively. And I think transfer to game and transfer of results is huge in those 2 hours.
So I think that's where these countries really need to take a deep look at it. If you want to catch up, you need to be as efficient as possible. And there's a whole field of science on skill acquisition that we can leverage here.
Why wouldn't we try and make a stab at it? That's going to be the most efficient way to get those consistent results, which is what we're after. And it just confuses me how people maybe don't see it. But I guess I'm less confused when I look at Instagram and I see that the videos that get the most support and that get the most virality are more traditional drills that aren't necessarily helping players transfer things over.
So, you know, you see a kid from the UK And what they're going to practice is probably what they see on Instagram because the coaches don't have the level to show them otherwise. Right. And the coaches are probably looking at those videos as well.
They see a video from a US account where basketball is largely the best in the world, or at least some people think like, oh, that must be what they're doing to get better. Well, no, you got to understand that kid has been playing 2 hours a day for the last 7 years.
If he does 2 hours of form shooting every day, it doesn't really matter. Yeah.
That's so well put, man. It's that damaging cycle which just keeps basically the same old kind of status quo ever kind of continuing within basketball. So that's why we've got to break out of it. So I want to shift the focus now from youth to NBA because you've worked with Duncan Robinson extensively.
And I think it's really interesting. You think of Duncan and I'd say like you can really imagine him being a nice CLA player in the practice environment. So this is a very generic question, and we can take it more specifically from here, Mitch, but maybe could you just touch on firstly players' perceptions at the highest level working within a CLA framework?
Because I found nothing but positivity and how they really enjoy it, and I'd just be very interested to see what your perspective is on that.
Absolutely. It is so surprising to me because once you get a player and they go through a full workout, And they're challenged, they're engaged, they had a ton of fun. Maybe they faced more adversity than they thought they would have. They're hooked. They absolutely love it.
And they can see the transfer. Like, it makes so much sense to them and they want to just keep coming back. Like, I'm a fairly young trainer, right? And sometimes I'm training NBA players that are older than me. But if I set up the environment in a way and let them go through a full workout, after I get that first workout, it is so easy for them to come back because they know They feel the difference between what they're doing with more traditional stuff, maybe spot shooting, predicted moves, all that type of more traditional training,
and then the more unpredictable, more game-realistic CLA. It's really easy to get a player to understand it, and they might not be able to articulate it, but that's fine. They'll just keep coming back and keep getting their workouts in with it. So I really think the biggest barrier when working with those high-level players is maybe just getting over the the initial stigma of maybe some of the wackier things that I might post, because that is a little bit of the part of Instagram.
It's like you want to be somewhat eye-catching and get people to the top of your funnel.
Yeah.
You do need to post some things that are a little bit more out there. So I've probably not worked with many NBA players because they might see a drill where I have a kid doing a somersault and then taking a layup, and they'll just see that and be like, what the hell is this guy doing?
Yeah.
But it's really not about that drill. And there's A deeper reasoning behind it. And then if you actually come to a workout, it's like, we're gonna get you warm for a few minutes. And then for the most part, you're being put in realistic game situations.
And if not, maybe doing some differential learning shooting, but you're getting a really, really engaging workout. And the players on top of it, they do really well in games.
Yeah.
So whether it's, you know, Duncan's had some great success and I think he works with Noah quite a bit. So he was kind of more familiar with CLA before coming to me. And still does stuff with Noah, still does a lot of different stuff.
So I'm not saying I'm his trainer in any sense. Like, I play a very small fraction of what he does. He's an amazing player, great person. But the point is, like, he gets results from doing it. And then if you take some of the kids, like, you've worked with Brown, 2 of the guys at Brown that have come, they got really, really good in one summer and went from 8th, 9th guy on the bench to now playing significant minutes for a really high-level team.
And then I have another kid in high school who it's like he was a public school bench player, and now in one summer he's a scholarship player and one of the best players in the state. So I think it's really easy once you get in it and you see it and the results come, I think, a lot faster for sure.
It's just about that initial buy-in. But now I think because Duncan has bought in and because some of the other high-level guys have bought in, that definitely helps the case of like getting the players into the gym. And then once they're there, That's easy.
Definitely. It's funny when you talk about the social side, Mitch. I remember when I was in Italy, we posted some of our warmup ideas and coaches just got obsessed, for the right reasons and the wrong reasons. And it was hilarious. We had some of the crash mats out and the guys were designing their own warmups.
And sure enough, think about this from an affordance perspective. What does a crash mat afford you? You can do some really cool stuff on it. And sure enough, guys are guys. They wanted to do forward flips and all crazy stuff like that on it.
It's just they're having fun. They're being themselves. It wasn't us coming in and saying, all right, let's do a somersault. Now, sometimes I might do that in DL based on the group of players. And I remember another group, we gave them props and they came up with a spin the bottle warm-up game.
It was hilarious.
And it's—
we did it for probably like 2 minutes of a practice. And to be honest, it was still way more beneficial than a traditional warm-up. But coaches just— they were kind of— I felt like they felt like it was some type of sacrilegious thing that we had done.
At the end of the day, it's for the players we're doing this.
So yeah, it's funny.
Let's go back to running a CLA workout with an NBA player. And let's say it was one player. And I think we've got a growing number of professional NBA coaches listening to the podcast, but it's just as applicable if you're working with a high school player.
What would that look like if you're running this with one player? How would you go about structuring the workout?
Absolutely. First of all, I'm hiring defenders.
Yes.
I'm hiring the most athletic, longest defenders that I can find, and I'm probably putting some implement in their hand to give realistic length. So there's a video I posted with Duncan shooting. We're doing some closeout shooting with some decision-making, and the defender, 6'7, played Division II, and he had a noodle in his hand.
So Duncan had got that first shot blocked, And I think the defender probably blocked it at like 11 feet or something similar to that. And people were like, why would you ever do this? And then a few months later, Duncan hits a shot over Wemby and it's like, this is what he has to do, right?
So he has to have the ability to get that shot off with some speed and at a high release, which he's really, really good at because being up against someone that can block a shot at 11 feet is not unusual. But to your point, so I'm hiring defenders.
Yeah.
At least 2 defenders, and then I'll be there as well. And the reason I want to do that is with a lot of the stuff, I need to have a decision to pass the ball. So if we're working on shooting and there is no other option other than to catch and shoot, the player is not going to be looking for opportunities other than to just fire it off.
And many times they're going to take pretty bad shots.
Yeah.
Because that's the drill, right? So we need to have those options. And the reason I would have 2 defenders is most typically we're going to have a primary defender and then the help defender is, is huge. And so with a lot of the NBA guys, I'll have probably 3 noodles, might upgrade those to some more sturdy equipment this summer, but at least 3 noodles on the court at once.
And then I'm a passer, screener, ideally would have actually one other guy playing basketball. So we have maybe 2 options to look for different angles of passes. And then from there, it's really a process of watching the film before the workout and seeing what actions Duncan's going to be put in frequently, what type of decisions he needs to make, maybe some different reads where he probably could have gotten 1 to 2 extra layups in a game off of.
And if really realistically, if we can add 2 layups to his game, that's millions of dollars, right? Like it doesn't have to be these crazy changes and If we're working with younger kids, like, I'm not going to put a limit on them, but like Duncan has a very specific skill set and we're going to be very specific to that.
And then the one thing that we played around with this summer was Duncan had his strength coach from the Miami Heat there. And so we would have some days where I knew specific movement qualities he was playing around with. So that would shape some of the actions we would work off of.
So that's another potential. As far as how we shape the environment is like, all right, he's working on lateral movement. So we might have him play some defense and then transition into a set where he's got to move laterally. Maybe it's in the corner, right?
He's really got to punch to the corner and stay in a really small box and get a shot off or make some decisions from there. But everything has defense with it. If he's playing defense, it has offense with it. Focus is going to be external and it's going to be highly, highly challenging.
And there's always going to be pressure on every shot. The basic elements that are going to be there for everything.
What would you say, Mitch, to the coaches or trainers who believe that you've got to teach moves and techniques still to players at that level?
Yes. If you just put people in scenarios, like I would say, like really like treat it as an experiment, because in my training journey, I've definitely taught moves before.
Yeah.
I'm not trying to say like I haven't thought that was the best way at some point. But the reason I've shaped the way we train now is because I've tried a lot of different stuff and many of it's been informed by some of the research out there.
But really, if you're so bought into that philosophy, all right, spend a few workouts just trying something else where you're not teaching a certain move, but maybe you give some constraints to it and then see how that transfers over. And I think the players themselves will report it's more challenging upfront, but then they feel like they can actually do what they're working on in game situations much better.
It's not a crazy transformation. It's just like players know and trainers can see it pretty quickly. I think the biggest thing that's holding them back is maybe the ego aspect of it, or sometimes I think they have the pressure, parents that believe they know how to teach something.
So it's like if I'm training a kid and the parent is information processing based, but doesn't know that they are, the parent's going to be pretty uncomfortable and they're the ones spending the money. So I understand that aspect of it, but like, just try it out.
And don't need to stick with it, but I think you probably will once you see the results. And the other thing I think would be important to talk about is just like, what is your test? Are we trying to have a pretty crossover against zero defense?
Like, is that really the thing that we're trying to prepare this player for? Like, understanding what is the test, I think, is really important. The test is playing the game, right? So doing a spot shooting drill or a move one-on-zero Is the goal to be able to do that against zero defense or against a defender?
So we need to frequently test against that defender, right? And I think pretty quickly you'll notice if you keep putting people in that test, the people that are being able to explore and maybe have some constraints around them are going to create much more adaptable solutions that transfer over seamlessly.
I think that's a fantastic way of putting it, Mitch. Really enjoyed the discussion today. Where can coaches find out more about the work you're doing?
The best place is Instagram. I post frequently there, and that's @hoopin_mitch. And then I've just put out a website, and that is elevatebball.com.
Mitch, great stuff, man. Really excited to see, you know, the next few months, what you're going to put out, next few years even. Big thanks for taking the time to join us today.
Thank you, Alex. Appreciate it.
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